Michael — Please read this post a little more carefully. Nov 03, 2018 @ 13:05:48. They tire sooner, or get called back by their owner. How to handle them? Can we help you with contacting someone to â¦ Janet I hear what you are saying but dogs and coyotes don’t have a peaceful relationship and never will. That same coyote was put down 2 weeks later because he lost his fear of humans because humans refused to reinforce their dominance. Coyotes can puff up and make themselves look way bigger than their average of about 26 to 30 pounds out here in the West. May I ask what you are trying to prove by encouraging your huge 96-pound German Shepherd (that’s bigger than I am) to go after a 30 pound coyote â an animal 1/3 his size? Please call the humane society so they can help get.â this poor pup back to health. The coyotes returned immediately to harass us again, not impressed by a young dog that was no real threat. The coyote has practiced all its life on this stuff. âLooks like a coyote with a serious case of mange.â âMy dog has ears like this and is not a coyote. And you are right, because of their lightness, bone structure, light and minimal musculature, and more sinewy tendons, coyotes are very lithe and quick. Just go the other way when you see one. Hereâs Dad charging my dog and me. ( Log Out / A Chihuahua named Pepe was lucky to be alive after he was brutally attacked by Coyotes in his own backyard. Whether your dog is alone or with another dog. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. My intention was not to have my dog go after the coyotoes but he did and was not harmed. Images and true stories have the power to raise awareness and change perspective. The Lab would chase them because they’d run, like he would chase cats. Generally, although a German Shepherd Dog has the weight advantage, coyotes with their experience and situational intelligence have a considerable advantage over a German Shepherd â¦ We have coyotoes. I live in an urban area, where there is wildlife. That particular German Shepherd-ish Dog is someoneâs pet. When the GSD was 1, I sent him after 2 coyotes one night. Big. CHARACTERISTICS OF THE COYOTE-DOG MIX APPEARANCE. With my coyotes, Mom was there as backup and Dad did the work. Best, always, would be to add a top roller-bar to a six-foot fence. They didn’t know my Lab was so mellow. Thereâs no hint of play in their demeanor when their familyâs safety is at stake. An animal autopsy at the Massachusetts Department of Fisheries and Wildlife has determines that coyotes did not kill a German Shepherd dog found dead on the aqueduct near Potter Road last Thursday. My GS, Rotts, and American bulldogs have killed stupid coyotes that didnt respect their territory on my land for over 20 years in Az. The coyotes are not: for them your activity is putting them into a life-and-death situation. - German Shepherd Place. yipps:janetkessler I let him go. It’s definitely a challenge, though, and there’s a message – go away. They don’t want contact. Maybe you are having fun. Oct 28, 2019 @ 16:19:43. A true flock guardian like a great pyrenees akbash dog and the other big white bruisers don't play the Coyotes game. For most of his life he was big, fast, healthy – why take a chance? Dog can a rottweiler kill a coyote â a powerful and warlike breed, which many seem unrestrained evil and dangerous. We worry less about our sonsâ dogs when they visit, as they are all over 50 pounds. Feb 21, 2020 @ 20:07:46. For other animals, this can â¦ The coyote has practiced all its life on this stuff. According to CBS58, the man tried to punch or kick a coyote but ended up grabbing a tail and a leg of a coyote and threw it after getting bitten. The German Sheperd-ish Dog is a pet and totally out of its element. Janet. Coyotes don’t walk up to humans and bite them for no reason. I went over there and told the kids to run the coyote off otherwise the issue would get worst and that coyote would be destroyed. But even in this instance, there is unlikely to be “contact” or an actual “fight” between the GSD and the coyote because, as you say, the coyote would simply flee. For sure your little dogs would be safer with this new situation, but I don’t know if this would be foolproof. Jul 11, 2019 @ 19:39:16. Although he’s a long, tall fast dog, any coyote can easily outrun him. That pictured dog? Eighty to ninety percent of coyote deaths from wolves take place at kills, where Wily Coyote is not quite so sneaky and gets a little too close to his larger brethren. Coyotes have also been known to trick, sabotage and kill domestic dogs. I also have a Yorkie. Cool story. Is the yard small enough so that the “pack” would be required to stay close together? I’m not saying a coyote doesnt have its advantages in the fields mentioned here, but most real GSd of guarding will probably scare the coyote away. Much can be heard about these dogs from people who know almost nothing about them: These dogs cannot be trusted!, They have a death grip! An average sized, average drive, working line GSD would stand his ground and snap any coyotes neck. Information and stories about San Francisco coyotes: behavior & personality, coexistence & outreach, by Janet Kessler: Unveiling first-hand just how savvy, social, sentient and singular coyotes really are! We just want to co-exist, without letting our pet get eaten. yipps:janetkessler Dogs of the same breed are not equal and neither are men when it comes to raising dogs. Lydia Berggren Coyotes live all around us. You should appreciate this. by Charles Wood, Coyote Voicings: Howls, Yips, Barks, & More, What Would Be The Outcome In a Coyote/German Shepherd Altercation? They won’t mess with that kind of power or intensity. Feb 21, 2020 @ 14:46:35. The only advantage a coyote has is speed and it’ll undoubtedly use it to run away. He could likely handle 2 at once but no more than that. All 4 seemed to understand he would gladly consume one or more. 1 coyote will not be able to do much damage being significantly smaller than a GSD. We saw them coming, hunkered down to look small and get them in close – ‘got them in about 15 yds away and I sent him. You can prevent this antagonism by keeping dogs away from them: leashing. ( Log Out / Our miniature pinscher wears one now, after being pinned to the ground and attacked on his neck by a coyote in rural Utah. In this one observation of mine, it looked pretty ugly. Coyotes in the area that are smart stay clear of their territory and don’t have any issues with my dogs. old. We have a house in rural southern Utah, where houses are on 10 acres of land and we are at the base of Boulder Mountain, with undeveloped juniper and pine tree forests. yipps:janetkessler Almost all dogs will chase coyotes if they can. Hi Aaron — Yes, you are right. Visit Charles Woodâs website for more coyote photos from LA:Â Charles Wood. One night, with about 6 approaching (headlamps reveal them coming several hundred yards out), I got an uneasy feeling and we left. ... Coyotes are generally not fighters and are the same size as GSD's typically smaller where I'm from. [Edit: I want to emphasize that the dog pictured above was not injured. What would be the purpose of that? Their strategy is to give an intruder a thrashing. In real life though, it depends on the dog. I would sooner meet a coyote anyday than someone’s loose dog. Coyotes are the size of Whippets, or Beagles, in weight. But a coyote who is harassed continually by a dog will attempt to stop that harassment. 5 &6 yrs. We are in the mountains next to Coconino National Forest at 4250 feet elevation. Previously, I had a 90-lb Lab and currently, a 96-lb GSD who does NOT like coyotes. Dogs that hunt, guard, or protect and have not had their aggressive instincts muted coyotes will be killed easily. According to CBS58, the man tried to punch or kick a coyote but ended up grabbing a tail and a leg of a coyote and â¦ Coyotes? Their instincts are programmed to protect their territories â mostly from other coyotes. What this post says is that a coyote is mostly bluff and will not kill your German Shepherd: coyotes will do their best to avoid a fight. If my dogs were slow, small, old or I was unfirm or otherwise vulnerable, I have no doubt they could be dangerous. Apr 19, 2019 @ 12:23:27. He was sitting outside with his German Shepherd named Princess when she approached 2 coyotes. Almost all “encounters” are simply uneventful ‘sightings’. For the last 18 years, I’ve walked my dogs – unleashed away from people or cars – near home at the edge of a large urban area in Oregon. They had grown old and had aches and pains. In our urban areas of Az the mentality is like yours, coyotes lose fear of both human and their dogs and problems occur. ( Log Out / Yeah, its a bluff and we were on the other side of a chain link fence. The dogs don’t know the territory as intimately as a coyote has to know its own territory. What coyotes do is respond to feeders who willingly throw food at them. I was unloading next to my house when my GSD spotted 2 coyotoes and charged after them. It isnât like in a dog park. Coyote vests are made for small dogs and have a Kevlar neck collar armed with 1-inch spikes and spikes down the back, making it hard for coyotes to â¦ IF coyotes are looking to take a small dog, they’d probably do so when the small dog had wandered off some distance alone. He would absolutely murder a coyote. Our home security cameras now show them in the street out front at night. A year and a half later, he’d changed. It keeps the population down in any particular area. He had the coyotes in the brush and I could hear the coyotoes yelping. Feral dogs in the area also kill coyotes that get in their way. My GSD can go under a fence also. Shepherd versus 3 coyotes, 3 coyotes wins hands down. Not wanting a fight, just a deterrent. Scott Schach was quoted saying “Somehow I got a hold of one of their tails, turned around she bit my arm, got a hold of her leg and I just flung her, just gave her a fling, she bounced off my pickup truck, went up the front windshield into the night and that’s the last I saw of that one…”. If you are going to write about a German ShepHERD. It does seem to be a canine turf issue. When I walk the country road here my dogs are on leads, We see coyotes almost daily and have them around the house and in the yards (several acres) Tuesday morning I was unloading my Nissan after a visit to the market. After he came on the scene, I didnât see Mom and Dad again. We keep our min pin on leash from dusk until well after dawn, but he wears his vest and roams freely during the day. Iâm talking typically. I have a 95lb GSD that has his dominant tendencies encouraged, because I don’t want a dog that’s going to run from a threat. yipps:janetkessler With the exception of the driveway our area is surrounded by barb wire which makes no difference to deer, mountains lion, bobcats, javelinas or coyotes. I live in Big Park, Arizona. The coyote danced its way into the position we see. They never stopped. It is through that continue reinforcement that generation after generation of coyotes out here in the rural areas that we don’t have coyotes issues. Irritable, look at her ear, end stage otitis I believe. Nov 03, 2018 @ 05:43:53, This is one instance or a couple, this does not reflect what would happen if a coyote would approach the territory of a FULL GROWN GSD, and a german shepherd-ish dog is not the same as a full blooded pure bred GSD. This story has a happy ending, as princess was taken to the vet but received a clean bill of health. Note that none of the coyotes I document and photograph is “anonymous” to me: I know (or knew) each one of them, and can tell you about their personalities, histories, and Â their family situations. Shasta is â¦ I’ve seen coyote protective vests and the spikes indeed look like they might work, but I’ve not actually SEEN that they work, and until I do, I would not endorse them. They often can tire out a heftier pursuer by running up and down steep inclines. Coyotes live in the real world and take care of real business every day. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Coyotes are bold, they do not hesitate to attack, and they can easily gravely injure or even kill a large dog like a German Shepherd. No question about it. This is 100% incorrect lol. Like dogs, the coyote has a highly developed sense of smell and sight. Can a German shepherd kill a wolf? Joseph Martinez Coyote Voicings: Howls, Yips, Barks, & More, What Would Be The Outcome In a Coyote/German Shepherd Altercation? I think it is safe to say that because of the size of a German Shepherd Dog, coyotes donât want to eat it. They huff, puff, and bluff to warn an intruder away. Coyotes have skin in the game. Sep 28, 2019 @ 19:29:38. We do have fun. Do not shoot it.â âIt looks like a German Shepherd with severe mange. by Charles Wood, Urban Coyote Myth: Coyotes Luring Dogs to Their Deaths. On July 11, 2018, a Wisconsin man got a big surprise. Maybe your dog is having fun. Hereâs a real contender. Keeping coyotes and dogs apart is easy: you have to leash the dog and walk away. yipps:janetkessler Heâs a real chicken, and needs to be. Feb 21, 2020 @ 20:04:46, If coyotes are in your area, I don’t think it’s a good idea for you to allow your little dog to roam free. He was so gassed, it took a while to walk him home, coyotes behind us for part of the walk. The coyote came back and I ran him off and even kicked the hell out of him when he stood his ground. Do you think a coyote will avoid jumping over if there is a shepherd there? You take that peaceful attitude and you will have problems with most predators. Coyotes deal with interlopers a lot. It’s great exercise for him and there’s really no chance of a fight. Full-grown Shepherds are larger than coyotes. Aiko the Coydog (Coyote/ German Shepherd Dog mix) at 7 years of agesââ Aiko was born in Texas after some coyotes were available in as well as mated with pure-blooded German shepherds. This posting is about your average house pet. They test one another looking for fun or for the chance of a gain. Feb 01, 2020 @ 15:44:22. We hunkered down again. Next day, I saw where he left a 15-yd slide on a muddy backwoods road where 2 split and he changed directions to go for what might’ve been a closer one. The question, “Who would win in a fight between a German Shepherd and a coyote?”, was posed on a forum on Quora, and answered by Charles Wood, who has given me permission to republish it here. Sep 28, 2019 @ 19:19:46. The average gsd is not a house pet. They went about 100 yds and I called him back. Favorite Answer. Jan 24, 2020 @ 20:51:45. 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He was sitting outside with his German Shepherd named Princess when she approached 2 coyotes. injuredsteticpatient I don’t delude myself about the opportunistic nature of these creatures. Hereâs team Mom and Dad coyote. A determined Alpha coyote or a pr, can/will try to kill, or run off most breeds of dogs. The coyote pinned him to the ground and tried to bite his neck. yipps:janetkessler I mean, really? Folks have worried about what might happen if their dog and a coyote were to confront each other: what would the outcome of a fight be? Some of the dogs which can easily kill a coyote include, Caucasian Ovcharka, Central Asian Shepherd, Kangal, Anatolian Shepherd, Sarplainic, Black Russian Terrior, Komodor, Neopolitan Mastiff, Cane Corso, Ameeican Bulldog, Rhodesiam Ridgeback, Akita, Rottweiler, Presa De Canario, Dogo Argentino, etc. I quickly three down my bags and placed the yorkie in the house then went after my dog. A German shepherd vs. a pack of coyotes ( there wild pack dogs) even if the German shepherd does try to defend you with it's life I don't think it would be able to beat a whole pack of coyote's. Hereâs what is a stake for the coyote when a German Shepherd Dog gets interested in a coyote. Wolves Iâve read just kill intruders. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The other shots showed a chase and some maneuvers. For a pet dog, they just don’t have game. I have never seen a wolf here but I have read reports that they exist here. How Much Food Does a Coyote Eat In A Day? Do you know if Kevlar coyote vests do anything to protect a small dog from coyotes? His answer to the question: There wouldnât be a fight, generally speaking. They will charge right into battle to save their people or other dogs in the pack. As long as the coyotes would run, there was no problem. yipps:janetkessler HELL YEAH a GERMAN SHEPHERD can kill a Rottweiler cause its more vicous and german shepherds are faster What do desert coyotes look like? If they would ever stop, though, he’d be at a complete loss because he had nothing against anything – including cats and coyotes. against one maybe but a pack of coyotes ( better know how to run fast). Be welcome here, enjoy, and learn! There are many coyotes here in a large public ‘wild’ area a half mile away and we’ve had many encounters with them. Generally, although a German Shepherd Dog has the weight advantage, coyotes with their experience and situational intelligence have a considerable advantage over a German Shepherd Dog. Feb 13, 2019 @ 17:09:46. He wasn’t a fighter and he never hurt anything. I’m not going to stop going outside to watch the stars, or even a nice day. I just haven’t heard of so many incounters B/4 I’ve never had a fear or problem with any coyote’s, especially one alone. Coyotes are a little faster the German Shepherds 40 mph vs 34 mph Coyotes are much lighter in weight having a different bone structure. Sep 28, 2019 @ 18:07:23. And in urban and suburban settings, coyotes don’t want a fight. by yipps:janetkessler If a full-grown adult male GSD (German Shepherd Dog) goes head to head against a young coyote, the Shepherd has a higher chance of winning. But if a younger German Shepherd attempts to take on a seasoned, full-grown coyote, the Shepherd could be at a disadvantage, allowing the Coyote to win. I’m sorry about your health problems — being out in nature can help focus your attention on so much that is going on in the environment: keep watching the stars — and reaching for them! We are working towards a planet that includes all the wildlife. But man and dog has to let continue to remind the coyote that they are top predator. Change ). But if this is getting worse, I worry about my Grandchildren. A can a rottweiler kill a coyote breed description. They’ll run past at half-speed as if to gauge our ability to respond. The coyotes then attacked the German Shepherd. Aiko the Coydog (Coyote / German Shepherd Dog mix) at 7 years oldâ"Aiko was born in Texas after some coyotes came in and mated with purebred German shepherds. Thatâs Mom at the left of the frame. Home → GSD News → German Shepherd Attacked by Coyotes Unharmed After Man Throws Coyote. He seems to understand the trash talk the coyotes spew and definitely wants to close with them. As long as Nico’s in good shape, we’ll patrol our neighborhood. Right now, youngster coyotes are out benignly exploring their environments, which might explain people noticing them more, but these will disperse fairly soon and family size will shrink again on each territory. Pepe was attacked by three Coyotes. The larger the dog, the more danger to the coyote, and vice-versa. Coyotes can and will attack dogs, even German Shepherds, especially when there’s more than 1 coyote. I do not have a problem with coywolfs or coyotes. Heâs getting it in gear to run away at full speed. Like the German Shepherd the Belgian Shepherd Malinois ex cetera. Press here to find out how to be an Ambassador for our urban coyotes. My GSD is 2 and a half years old. When you truly raise a dog like a German Shepard as the breed is intended to be and you have no fear of coyotes your GS will kill a coyote with no issues. The last time I looked, a few years ago, it seemed that not much was known about coyote inter-generational transfers of territory. Even 2 coyotes would very likely be victorious. The coyotes I’ve seen seem to have most dogs figured out. German Shepherd Attacked by Coyotes Unharmed After Man Throws Coyote. Nor has it really seen a very motivated opponent. They know how to bite to kill, tame shepherd does not. But a dog? We have a miniature pinscher, 16 pounds, who had a very close encounter with a coyote on a spring morning. This German shepherd-like coloration probably comes from a dog gene that moved into the coyote gene pool in a hybridization event ~50 years ago. The stuff dogs argue about? Yes, Ben. Janet Kessler is all about education.]. It lives in one world. Janet I am considering adding an older nice German Shepherd to my family so that I can once again let my littles have a little freedom in my smallish fenced yard. German Shepherd Attacked by Coyotes Unharmed After Man Throws Coyote, German Shepherd Dog Attacked and Killed by Alligator in Venice FL, Help Bane Walk - Veteran K9 German Shepherd Hit by Distracted Driver, German Shepherd Dog and Owner Reunited After Hurricane Laura, Heroic German Shepherd Dog “Sally” Protects Family from Bear Attack in Alaska, Midland, Michigan Police Department Welcomes New German Shepherd “Leo”, Can You Shave Your Shepherd Dog ? That’s not what we want in urban areas where most residents respect the wildlife and don’t want to harm them. yipps:janetkessler This is what you were seeing on campus. There have been almost 100 of them, distributed among over a dozen families, all in San Francisco. In many cases, the coyotes attack after a curious dog comes into contact with the coyote(s). ], Previous Wallowing, Wiggling & Warping: Photo Sequence Next Celebrating *Long* on the Longest Day. Over my 18 years here, their numbers have increased. Coyotes intrude on each otherâs territory all the time. Why donât you be the âbiggerâ guy by allowing them to be, rather than trying to engage with them to prove yourself âlargerâ, which you physically are. That can be a rope a dope, a run for a better site for parrying, or to keep on distracting a dog until it gets worn out. In general, its biggest mark of identification is the bushy, downward-bent tail, sable coat color, dark neonatal coat color, and the white face mask as that of the coyote parent. He escaped, and he now wears a Kevlar coyote vest whenever he is outside off leash, We keep him on leash from dusk until well past dawn. Even 2 coyotes would very likely be victorious. Shepherd versus 3 coyotes, 3 coyotes wins hands down. His work is copyrighted and may only be used with his explicit permission. Lucky for him, his best friend, a German Shepherd named Turbo, was there to save his life. I sent him after 4 coyotes one night. Soon the coyote begins demanding food. My neighbors saw it after they heard the noise. Iâve read from studies that unlike wolves, coyotes have one coyote defend their territory. A pack of coyotes on the otherhand can most definetly take on 2 large breed dogsâ¦ Humans killed that coyote by feeding it long before it was “put down” by authorities. They donât rank it as prey, itâs an interloper. They are terrible and evil!. yipps:janetkessler They seem to assume they can outrun the dog and can easily increase speed to get away. Now, he says, coyotes in the area are known to barge right on through a dogâs scent barrier, kill the dog and move on to the sheep flock. Please don’t allow your little dog to roam free — he needs to be supervised always when out-of-doors, as you would a small child with a life-vest in a swimming pool. Thank you, Deborah. The average coyote, at 25-35 pounds, is smaller than a wolf and similar in size to a small German Shepherd. Charles, please use your logic. Let me show you why I say so. The coyotes won’t engage with him as any injury could be life-threatening. Size, of a dog or a couple of dogs. I really don’t mind having coyotes learn to show a little deference to people/dogs here. it depends on how many coyotes. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. [Posting written by Charles Wood. Enough so that an intruder wonât forget. The breeders (my husband's Aunt and Uncle) did not want the mix breed puppies so they gave away the coydogs, Aiko was given to us. Again, he chased them. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Let alone a local pr of coyotes or a family group of coyotes. The life-vest in itself is not enough. On July 11, 2018, a Wisconsin man got a big surprise. Most city dogs are not built for the kill but dogs in our neighborhood don’t have any issues with killing coyotes and protecting livestock from any predator including mountain lions. Who gets to keep the ball. Â© All information and photos in my postings come from my own original and first-hand documentation work which I am happy to share, with permission and with properly displayed credit: Â©janetkessler/coyoteyipps.com. At stake is their food, their mate, and their children. He had many cat pals. Those coyotes who are respected in this manner do not come after dogs. Now, the following photograph, I did not take, it was taken by a friend of mine, Janet Kessler in a San Francisco park. The avg city person with any dog is no match for a coyote because of their fear and that fear produces a pet that is worthless against a coyote. In the above photo, no real dirty work was required. To a wild coyote, a dog in coyote territory acts untutored in the ways of the wild. Hi Lydia — Your best strategy for protecting your little dog is to continue walking him on a leash. The family saw two or three Coyotes attacking Pepe. And teach small kids to always walk away from them — they should not run. A German Shepherd would definitely win. They don’t want to be injured. This posting is about urban pet dogs whose owners fear for their dogs, it’s not about trained killer dogs. Jan 24, 2020 @ 18:56:12. Now I’m crippled, had 3 stroks,& on Dialysis. The GS was about 100 lbs and bit up my male GR and me as I tried to get him off. Hope this helps! 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